Discussions (August 2001 onwards)

Note: Later contributions now at the top...

29/9/2001 From Paul Codrinton (Kermitthefrog@btinternet.com)

Just purchasing a new DV today (Registered at Honda dealers 2 months ago for a quick sale, half-a-mile on the clock). Collecting at 1200hrs and yes, it is raining so hard Noah might consider making a comeback. Only one concern: Anybody had any problems with the aluminium parts pitting and if so what preventative measures can I take?

Paul Codrinton

29/9/2001 From Dave Yates (davelin@briarsgreen.freeserve.co.uk)

Hi,

Going to order my Deauville tomorrow. All weather, All year biker now needs better protection from elements than my current old 535 Virago. Hope I'm changing to a gudun! Seems like from your site. You won't regret it, the DV is a better bike in many ways.

regards

Dave Yates from Lancashire.......................

Try this site, it is a Translation but it does mention several changes notably larger panniers capable of taking a laptop in the left hand Pannier.

http://translate.google.com/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.moto-station.com/article.php%3Fsid%3D327&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dphp%2B%2Bjavasrcipts%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff

Thanks John H Law

Hi all

Just thought I'd let you know that KC motorcycles in Hove, Sussex fitted my new BT020's yesterday, while they were at it (whether its because I was watching) they greased up all my caliper/shaft/wheel bolts even topped up my brake oil reservoir, the guy who did it was a real enthusiast and owned a Pan euro.

As for the tyres even as I'm scrubbing them in the difference is noticeable cornering is even more effortless, they drop into corners slightly quicker probably because they are newer but very secure ride hopefully they will be better than the Macadams in the wet.

Got a nice long ride up to Coventry after work so can test them out more.

It’s now two months since I bought a Triumph Sprint Executive to replace my Deauville and I thought I would let you know how I’m getting on with it and how it compares with the Honda. The 885cc Sprint is now obsolete and has the original three-cylinder engine. The Executive was the last gasp of this model and they added panniers to it to soften the blow regarding its impending demise. In effect it’s a 900cc Trophy (which is about to be discontinued in favour of the 1200) with a smaller half fairing.

I liked the Deauville a lot but the main problem was that I felt it simply did not have enough puff when it came to overtaking on fast open roads. This was first brought home to me during MAC course when the instructor’s Pan went sailing past the traffic and I had the throttle fully open. Secondly, although I had the larger panniers the sculptured shape still restricts their usefulness.

I bought the Sprint because I thought it would be the nearest thing to a beefed-up Deauville and being second-hand the difference in price was minimal. With the DV being a best seller I reckon Triumph have missed an opportunity by discontinuing it. They cut and run too early.

So what are the points in favour of the Sprint? It looks beefy and still weighs less than the Deauville by a couple of kg. The panniers are a lot better by being bigger, narrower than the wide DV ones and detachable. It’s just as comfy as the Deauville and the suspension at the factory setting is even softer. The seat’s about an inch lower which is a help when manoeuvring.

With a terrific engine it goes like the clappers when you want it to and gives oodles of confidence when overtaking. Surprisingly, the fuel consumption is around the 50mpg mark when ridden sanely. It's also a good aural experience, growls when going slowly and sounds good at speed, which I know shows me up as being a bit sad. The gearbox is a lot better and smoother (although there’s six gears, which is about three too many) and I can actually find neutral easily. Brakes are about the same, absolutely fine.

It’s mostly British which encourages me to feel that we can still cut the mustard when it comes to engineering.

And the bad points: Although it’s actually lighter it feels heavier and the C of G is quite high and with a five gallon tank, that’s another half a hundred weight on top. You only feel this during those crucial times when parking etc.

Worst of all is the chain drive. Nasty mucky things that you have to fiddle with at regular intervals and then have a bath in Swarfega. Having had a GT550 and a Deauville, I’ve never experienced these things before.

So all in all I’m pleased with it. It’s taken me a while to get used it as I suspect my skeleton had moulded itself into a Deauville shape. How reliable it turns out to be in the long term remains to be seen but they seem to have a good reputation.

PS Must remember to slow down.

26/9/2001 From Stephane Jallat (Stephane.Jallat@Rademacher.co.uk)

I read on a French magazine that the 2002 DV presented at the Paris show next week will have a more powerful engine and I'm surprised it has never been mentioned on the UK media. I might go to this bike-show next WE just to check that this excellent news is true and I will let you know. Interesting -but if it's still a 650, which I assume it must be since they'd definitely have announced such a major change, any power increase is going to be pretty small. This site had a tip-off from someone in Spain a few months ago (see in the April discussion archive), that mentioned all the 2002 changes that have been announced, and no engine change was mentioned there.

I commute every day between London and Oxford and my T-reg DV has now 45K on the clock after 18 months. I only called AA once (for a flat tyre)!

The DV is the best bike for this type of use. The Pan is too wide in traffic-jam, the VFR (low handle-bars) and Varadero (at high speed) are too uncomfy and not shaft-driven and the BMW R1100 RT is too expensive.

I personally always use the reserve tap because my fuel consumption varies a lot (between 47 and 53 mpg) depending upon the way I ride. That allows me to ride more miles between each refuelling. Reaching the reserve tap even in the middle of a roundabout can be easy and safe if you have practised before with the bike stopped.

Stephane

25/9/2001 From Paul Sutcliffe (Paul.Sutcliffe@RebusGroup.Com)

My experience has been I get just under 340 km before hitting reserve (about 210 miles) - what a delicate right wrist, eh! 210 miles ! Do you ride everywhere at 60mph ? The bike stutters as it hits reserve, but I get plenty of time to switch over, it's never cut out on me. I start looking for a garage at about 370km, at which point the tank takes about 17 litres - still a couple to spare.

PS A white DV, hand deflectors and tall screen, top box, travelling up the A2 towards London about 9.15am and turning off just before the South Circular - anyone match this description?

Hi all

Just fancied posting an update on my DV It's now showing very nearly 10k on the clock, I can't believe I didn't opt for a shaft drive bike earlier, no messy oily chains to lube, makes cleaning so much easier and quicker.

Back with the standard screen, have ordered some hand deflectors, and at the end of the getting some BT020's fitted. I'm still finding at 5000rpm or 70mph a slight pinking/hesitation from the engine if you hold it at that speed. As soon as you increase/decrease speed it's all fine again. Still getting 200 miles from a tank so thats great. If anyone's interested P&H motorcycles in Crawley have a T-reg 4k in red , I thought it was new, even the exhaust bolts are shiny, it has hand deflectors and a givi rack for £3900.

Cheers

John in Sussex

24/9/2001 From Andy Beck (andy.beck@wabco-auto.com)

Still reading your site regularly - keep it simple!

Just been reading MCN at http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=67356&documentID=89852 and notice that the 2002 model DV will feature linked brakes, apparently also featured on Pans and Blackbirds.

What do we think about that, then? Can we not chew gum and walk at the same time? Or is that a technophobic attitude? Anyone tried linked brakes? Does it work both ways - ie does the pedal apply some front brake (ooer)? There are different flavours of the system, typically both pedals apply more of their normal brake and a bit of the other one. I've ridden a VFR, Varadero and Pan Euro with linked brakes and didn't find it a problem.

Seems scary to me, but then I still miss my kickstart. . .

Andy

24/9/2001 From Chris Newby-Robson (cnr@themadprofessor.demon.co.uk)

I just had experienced the engine cutting out whilst going round a roundabout. It was the fuel hitting the reserve. What slightly concerns me was that I had no warning (engine spluttering ETC) before it just died half way around the roundabout in the rush hour. I know it is my fault for letting the level get low, but I was surprised not to get any warning. The only thought that I had was that the spluttering had been masked by the braking/deceleration into the roundabout. That's one reason I don't use the reserve tap, rather I leave it on reserve and use the trip meter as a fuel gauge.

What are every body else's experience of how suddenly the engine dies when the tank has hit the reserve?

What do you recommend for keeping the chrome exhaust pipes and silencer clean and protected from the wonderful British weather?? I use Solvol, it's great on the exhausts but less good on the triangular footrest hangers and pretty useless on the utterly crap alleged metal that they make the gear selector out of.

20/9/2001 From Ian Drew (iandrew@ntlworld.com)

I've had my Deauville for 3 months and done 2500 miles on it - now it has 13500 on the clock. Problem is the clutch drags at times making it very difficult to select neutral, and also grabs badly at maneuvering speeds when cold. Any ideas? Is the free play correct - see the manual, otherwise, could be dealer time.

Ian Drew

20/09/2001 From Justin Codd (Justin.Codd@brighton-healthcare.nhs.uk)

Hi found your site recently and would like to offer some info + ask a few questions.

I bought a D.V this year from local dealer as an import. Much better condition due to climate overseas (germany) And better price. Its in dark purple (everyone thinks its black) only mods I did was change speedo to mph (honda one )as it was in kph. This can be very expensive as there is no pattern part for this and the honda ones are over £120.00 +vat. I didn't pay dealer did.

The thing that can cause problems is the headlight, it will not pass an MOT with the beam at the angle it is, so when it is due you must cover the lens area with tape so as to block the section that diverts the beam across to the right. I have spoken to two MOT places and they say this is perfectly legal and the tape can be removed after the MOT if you wish.

I have spoken to honda about the "popping" problem with engine that everyone seems to suffer with at one time or another and they say it is due to premature evaporation (careful with the spelling) due to temperature build up in the carbs during hot weather. I tend to agree as mine only does it on long runs in the warm weather.

I know someone who has changed to bridgestone bt020 and they say they would never use other tyre again as the wet weather handling is excellent and only slightly down on wear compared to originals.

Few questions.

Are there many dv owners around Brighton area.

What brake pads does everyone recommend as a replacement for originals (Honda don't make the originals so who does? )

Can you change back pads easily if so how?

What sort of fuel consumption should you expect commuting in town? I get about 148miles before going to reserve. I cannot believe somebody gets 200 miles to a tank! What speed do they ride at? I leave the bike on reserve the whole time, and use the trip meter as a fuel gauge. I usually fill up around 180 miles, and there's usually about 3 litres left at that point.

Best accessory I have bought is yellow headlamp cover(yes they are legal) it makes you standout at night and in a row of oncoming traffic I can be seen easily. Also other members in the i.a.m. group I am in use them and say they feel much safer. Any headlight cover is going to reduce the amount of light output, so I'd rather have a brighter light so I can see where I'm going in the dark.

3/9/2001 From John Pettifor (pettiforj@yahoo.co.uk)

What a plonker, this morning running a little late uncovered the bike , unlocked it all ready to go , turn the key hit the starter...nothing. Tried again ...nothing so i cursed the bike, removed the seat fiddled with the battery but noticed the clock was still on, so i thought must be the starter relay or something , bugger will have to ring the 'AA' just about to ring when i notice the kill switch was on... must have knocked it when cleaning at the weekend, imagine how embarrassing it would have been to actually have the 'AA' come out. Yes…

Anyway the reason I was posting , I am selling my Honda tall screen if anyone is interested !!!

Cheers Jp

16/9/2001 From Chris F Newby-Robson (cnr@themadprofessor.demon.co.uk)

Hello,I just wanted to thank you for this excellent site. Partly as a result I have just taken delivery of a "nearly new" 599 miles (Y Reg) Deauville. Having just ridden back from DK Motorcycles in Newcastle under Lyme I can report that I found it easier to ride than my Cagiva River, much better protection (even with the standard screen), and a much more pleasing ride. I have ordered the deep panniers and the Honda 45L topbox and hope to receive those next week. The engine still seems quite tight and I limited the revs to 6000. I notice the manual just says "take it easy" or words to that effect. DK said after every 100 miles let the revs creep up by 500 rpm or so. Has anyone any particular recommendations. Also is it true that the tall screen takes 10 mph off the top speed and increases fuel consumption? I was told +1000rpm for every 100 miles past 500. I'm sure the tall screen does affect speed&consumption, but I've never measured it.

Thanks Chris

3/9/2001 From John Pettifor (pettiforj@yahoo.co.uk)

On my daily commute from Brighton to Crawley, part of the journey is spent on the A23. I have noticed a couple of other Deauville riders. One travelling in the opposite direction on a black with high Honda screen, wearing a dayglo jacket. The other a red standard looking Dv, heading into Crawley from the M23 in the evening.

Do any of these riders or other's in the sussex area post on here. I'll be the bloke on the silver/beige DV wearing my trusty bright yellow ROOF helmet.

The 2002 Deauville has linked brakes - see

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=212131&documentID=89852

My Honda dealer has just fitted a new rear tyre on my Deauville at only 5750 miles "on the clock". I never had much confidence in wet weather with the original tyres (Michelin Macadam) so I've chosen Metzler MEZ4. We both (my dealer and I) expect the Metzlers to be far superior, particularly in the wet......I'll keep you posted. Let's not hope for too much wet weather though…

Hi there,

Can anybody tell me whether the Deauville's speedo is electronic or cable driven as I am thinking of fitting a gear indicator when I get my new bike. It's cable driven.

Regards

Danny Potts

Sorry I missed the ride on Saturday, especially as my rugby game was cancelled due to an opposition no-show!

I'd like to think my immobiliser problem was just the engine cut-off switch, but my immobiliser light problem re-appeared that night and went after I gave the receiver unit a good talking to! Any way while it was stuck on I tried the cut-off but that just turned the immobiliser light on and off. The problem hasn't reappeared since the spill but I still intend to get it sorted, probably at the same time as the bike repair, or the 8000 mile service which was already booked for October.

Thanks for the e-mail about my bike. (the white one from Cusworths in Doncaster). Yes, they are a Honda dealer. Had to ring them after I got your e-mail. I can have a Mac course - can't wait for that. I also looked at the W.Yorks IAM Group site. Thanks - I shall be talking to a couple of mates to see if they are interested in joining. I shall definitely be joining. Well done with the ride out - the pics look great.

I am hoping to go to the NEC with a mate on Mon 12th Nov.for the Bike Show. Anyone else going then? Could meet up for a coffee if so.

Hi all - Sorry I couldn't make it to the ride out, I had an art exhibition to supply some of my work to (not that you really wanted to know that) but on Sunday we visited the ACE CAFE REUNION gathering in Madeira Drive Brighton, a fantastic day with thousands of bikes old and new, I only noticed about five other Deauville's. As I parked up in between some extremely chromed brightly painted Harley davidson's two chaps stopped to ask about the DV, which amazed me, asking genuine questions as to the bikes capabilities , so I told them how happy I was with it.

As for my DV, I have tried the taller honda screen for a couple of wet commuting days last week and found that the turbulence around my head was just too much(Ref. my height is 6ft), even with ear plugs it was just so uncomfortable so it was back on with the original screen, much to my wife's amusement (I'm sure she thinks i'm mad).

Now then for some questions :

1). How effective are the hand protector's and also how easy are they to fit ? Very, and very.

2). What is the best way to have music on the move, fit some speakers in the fairing , can you actually hear them as wind noise is relatively high With the standard screen. Or wear some in ear headphones. John Russell wrote a bit about this - it's in one of the previous discussion archives.

3). Can anyone recommend a good aluminium polish/protector. Solvol kind of works, but there must be something better.

Cheers and enjoy your DV

John (yet another) Pettifor

9/9/2001 From Peter Summerfield (peter.summerfield@btinternet.com)

Well I finally collected my lovely new bike yesterday lunchtime from the dealers in Warrington. I had delayed collecting it for 24 hours due to pressure of work and it was also pouring down on Friday and I didn’t fancy any embarrassing moments on the way there with the Virago or on the way back with the Deauville.

What a joy to ride compared to the Yamaha. The only 2 downsides to date are:

1. The dealer ‘forgot’ to tax the bike despite being reminded twice and having the cover note since Wednesday.

2. There was no owners handbook with the bike as the previous owner had not left it!!

The dealers gave me a full tank of petrol (big deal) by way of compensation and have ordered a handbook from Honda but they are on back order and could take up to 4 weeks to arrive.

If anybody out there has a spare or knows where I can get one sooner I will gladly pay for one as I am rather stuck without it – I’ll probably end up stopping assorted Deauville riders when I have a query. Well, it's not really that exciting - if you've got any specific Q's, let me know and I'll look them up.

Away on business for a few days from this afternoon so won’t get a chance to have a really good ride until next weekend.

Please e mail me if you can help with the handbook.

Thanks once again for yesterday, I really enjoyed it. It's good to talk to other owners and get their views on various aspects.

Went home via Oxford and back up the old Banbury Road to Southam, where I stopped for an hour, and then up the Fosse to the south side of Leicester. The old road from Oxford to Banbury is really nice these days now that everybody uses the M40 - thank God for Motorways! If ever you are going that way just pick up the Kidlington road off the ring road (where the Services are) and just follow it North.

Arrived home safely about 8.00pm.

John Whitaker. (Nottingham) (The Red one).

9/9/2001 From Geoff Norfolk (g.norfolk@ntlworld.com)

Seeing your e-mail from Hugh Lacey reminded me that I also picked up a rear wheel puncture a couple of thousand miles ago............I can't blame the council as ithe nail looked suspiciously like some i'd been using the previous week on the garage floor!! I picked up one of those puncture repair kits for tubeless tyres from Hein Gerrick where you don't remove the wheel but insert a plug from the outside and I was amazed how effective it was. The shop told me it was a permanent repair, the instructions on the kit said it was temporary however feeling lazy, knowing the tyre was near the end of it's life and 2000 miles later, the tyre is now almost worn out and although it lost a couple of pounds pressure in the first week, the repair held out fine.......even with my 16 stone wife on the back! I always keep one of these kits which comes with air cartridges (although it only inflates it up to about 20psi, it gets you on the road) on the bike.

Cheers

8/9/2001 From Brian Reed

Further to Hugh's latest problems I had a similar thing happen to me one morning. All togged up ready to set off, I went to the garage to start the bike and the immobiliser light wouldn't go off. Try switching key on and off several times with no joy, so into the house to rummage around for the spare key, back to the garage...still nothing. Then I notice that someone, has to be one of the kids, had set the killswitch to off! Problem solved....

8/9/2001 From Matt (roger@thestudy.krcnet.com)

Hello all, my deauville is running smoothly despite being restricted and the roads where I live sort of dry but does anyone know what the amp of the alternator of the deauville is. I am a great one for putting on numerous bits and pieces onto my bikes and knowing the amp is first thing I need to know.

Also what do people recommend in the way of heated grips I previously had apair of Hein gericke grips and they worked fine but wondered if anyone could recommended anything else. The Honda ones are brilliant, bus expensive.

Matt (one slight accident never fallen off)

Yes it happened again! This time a whopping great screw through the middle of the rear tyre, but only a slow puncture so arranged to be at Universal tyres at 8:30 this morning (Wednesday).

Got ready to go but the HISS light wouldn't cancel so frantic five minutes turning on and off with no joy, five minutes searching for spare key and another ten minutes trying vainly with each key to get the bike started - no luck. Phoned the AA who said they'd be with me by 9:10 which they were. Another ten minutes watching the AA man turning the key on and off - still constant green light!

Plan A - Put together bike trailer (very neat) and take bike to local dealer (Butler's in Stanstead Abbots) - Only when we get there they don't open on Wednesdays!

Plan B - Take bike to Metropolis in Barnet, at least I got to play with the SatNav in the AA van! Get to Metropolis, take bike off trailer, bike starts first time.

Then I still have to get to Tottenham to get puncture repaired, finally get to work at 13:30 after Universal Tyres take two hours to repair puncture (including taking the exhaust off for some reason)!! Then it rained all the way to work, all in all not my favourite day's biking.

I'm a bit worried about the immobiliser, if it does it again I could be stranded anywhere, I've told Metropolis I want it sorted and if that means new immobiliser and keys they're going to have to do it under warranty -I'll keep you posted.

I know I should avoid the crap in the middle of the roads but sometimes there's no choice; does anyone know if the highway authorities have a duty to clean the road? I know they have to fix potholes, I reported one last month, and once I'd convinced the lady at the other end of the phone that the A10 and M25 were real roads in Hertfordshire even though she hadn't heard of them, the pothole was fixed the next day (oh, alright the next day after I phoned again three days after my first call).

To round off yesterday's problems, some idiot in a golf GTi knocked me off on the way home last night. Not too much damage to the bike - pannier, lower fairing and fairing protector, mirror and the screen has sprung out on one bolt. I'll need a new helmet and my elbow is going a nice purple colour - but at least it show that the armoured jacket, trousers boots etc are worthwhile!

Needless to say his first words were: Sorry I didn't see you... I won't repeat my first words here.

6/9/2001 From Chas (chas@sweeney-todd.freeserve.co.uk)

Hi there

Just like to thank you for a most excellent and informative site. I shall shortly be buying a new DV and thus fulfilling a dream I had ever since I was ten years old when, on my way back home from my weekly piano lesson, I'd stop off outside Claude Rye's Honda dealership in Fulham and simply stare at the first of the CB750K series - four cylinders, four exhausts, a disc brake up front and, at least to a spotty near-adolescent, the sexiest thing on two wheels (next to a Mark IIA Norton Commando, of course :)) - I promised myself that one day, I'd own a shiny new Honda. We always used to stop off on school X-country "runs", and drool through the windows of Streamline Motorcycles in East Dulwich…

Thirty two years later, here I am - a greying forty two year old single father of four - about to realise that dream and feeling that same sense of excitment that I did all those years ago. I first clapped eyes on the DV about two years ago and fell in love with it on the spot. I thought then that, even second-hand, I'd never be able to afford one, however, circumstances have now allowed me the luxury of buying a new one in the very near future. It may seem silly and childish but I have the Honda brochure parked on my microwave in the kitchen and every night when I go to bed, I allow myself the pleasure of looking through it and saying to myself, "one more day..."

Your site has been most useful in clarifying my decision as to which bike to buy and shall remain a favourite resource for DV news. If I may, I'll keep you and all the other good DV fans posted as to my progress with my new beast.

BTW, I currently ride a Honda VT250FD (fabulous but very underrated bike, IMHO) and the original price of that CB750K was £836 plus Purchase Tax - those were the days! If I manage to get my bike before the 29th, I join you on the rideout. The rideout's on the 8^th !

Regards

Chas Stoddard =:-)

6/9/2001 From Phil Hiles (tworivers59@hotmail.com)

Well, I am pleased to report that I collected my brand new Deauville this morning from Cusworths in Doncaster. Thanks for an excellent site ,which has provided some very useful info that played a major part in my decision making process.

I am 42, living in West Yorkshire and took a Direct Access Test, passing last October. A friend of mine provided the initial encouragement and as a result I bought his J reg TDM 850 which was sitting idle. (He now rides a BMW K1200RS). The TDM was, with hindsight, too big and too heavy. It also proved costly and less than reliable at times. We are still very good mates and I know he will want to ride the Deauville when he gets back from hols.

I got a good deal on the new Deauville and have chosen a white one fitted with Honda heated grips and a 48 litre Kapa top box. Paid £5000 OTR.

I was amazed at how light it felt compared to the TDM and it is so quiet. The ride back out of Doncaster onto the A1 and home on the M62 was a great feeling - even got a visual checking from 2 West Yorkshire Police Pan Europeans going the other way. Not surprised - I've mentioned before that with a white DV, all you need is a white lid and hi-viz jacket to get increased "respect" from other road users.

I got the TDM through an MOT on Mon 3rd Sept at DC Motorcycles in Huddersfield (Dick Cartwright is incredibly helpful and put me in touch with Cusworths). Lo and behold, Dick had then managed to source an imported Red Deauville and I got talking to the guy who was picking it up - he too was trading in a TDM 850 (had it for three years). He was very experienced and was an instructor with a riding school. That was further confirmation that my choice was right.

Then, when I get to Doncaster, someone rings in to agree a visit to Cusworths tomorrow (6th) so that they can buy a green Deauville - they too live in Huddersfield..... yet more confirmation. Any more Huddersfield Deauville owners out there..... ?

I was told that the bike is a UK one from a large cancelled order for white ones (special order for a big UK customer that went pear-shaped). How can I check ?. See if it's got an MPH speedo ? Will I be eligible for a MAC course ?. Not sure- are Cusworth's a Honda dealer, if so you should be, but you can always wedge up a bit extra and do it anyway (£100 vs £250 or something)

I am a Police Trained advanced motorist (cars) from a spell in West Yorkshire Police between 1981 and 1984. Since 1984 I have worked in the Pharmaceutical Industry and from end of this September I am going self employed in Recruitment. I joined the IAM (cars) in 1987 and have recently been advised to take a RoSPA gold in a car. I want to apply the same standards to my motorcycling, but I know that I have got a tremendous amount to learn. Any tips or hints ? There is a West Yorkshire Advanced Motorcyclists group - see http://www.wyam.org.uk/

Thanks again for a brilliant site.

Regards

Phil Hiles

4/9/2001 From Peter Summerfield (peter.summerfield@btinternet.com)

What a pleasure to find a site so informative and easy to navigate. Many congratulations and thanks for hosting this ‘mine of information’. All websites used to be this easy to navigate, but someone invented HTML frames and the rest is history…

Aged 50, I decided 3 months ago to return to motorcycling after a 25 year absence. Having never bothered to take a test I went through the CBT, Theory Test and Direct Access system courtesy of "Rocket Motorcycle Training" in Liverpool – highly recommended.

Having always fancied a ‘cruiser’ style of bike I bought a 12 month old Virago 535 with 1400 miles on the clock. The bike was in immaculate condition having only been used in good weather. As my biking would be on a similar basis I was pleased to have found such a clean example. However after 3 or 4 weeks of riding since passing my test I quickly came to the conclusion that perhaps I had been a little hasty in my choice of bike.

I was suffering from backache due to the harsh ride and uncomfortable seating position and the lack of storage, even for a pair of lightweight over-trousers, was a pain and as to where to keep the disk-lock!!

My pal with a Pan European suggested I look at a Deauville which he thought would be the perfect sort of bike for someone like myself (6 ft and 20+ stone!). Well when I called at my Dealers in Warrington last Saturday there was a Beige Deauville, less than 6 months old with just under 3000 miles on the clock. The bike had only been in the dealers for 1 hour and had not even been priced up. A test ride was quickly arranged, completed and the decision taken there and then to swap the Virago for the Deauville - (yes Dear it was virtually a straight swop!!).

Negotiations and haggling done, insurance arranged (£40 a year cheaper than the Virago) and now just waiting for Friday when I collect my new machine. Enjoy it - might be worth checking when you pick it up that it'll start in gear with the clutch pulled in - it's a common fault that they don't, and the dealer should fix it (see FAQ).

I will keep the site informed as to how I progress with the new bike. I guess reading through the site that the Honda MAC course would be beneficial to myself as a new rider. Definitely worth every penny. Any comments from other novices? Just ride defensively, concentrate all the time (and have fun).

4/9/2001 From Matt (roger@thestudy.krcnet.com)

Hey fellow deauville owners. Firstly brilliant site check it every other day to make sure im upto date with all that is going on in the world of deauville owners. Secondly am i the youngest owner of one of these fine machines im 18 (almost certainly - what's your insurance like ?). Im on a restricted licence and yes my deauville is restricted to 33bhp and there is not that much difference apart from it runs out of puff about 95mph. Anyway has anyone thought of a club exclusive to deauville owners a bit like the Pan Clan of which my dad is a proud member and we can organise ride outs etc.

Anyway just thought i'd let you know that im in the process of making some interesting additions to my bike. eg hazard warning lights (not that i hope to use them) and a fog light. I cannot be the only one who rides all year round. and some other stuff if anyone is interested e-mail me and i will try and give you some info but anyway ive had my bike 4 weeks now and have 1000miles and have enjoyed every minute of it. What are the opinions on tyres and here is a interesting info tid bit Bridgestone may be withdrawing BT020s due to stability problems. Well have to go Charlie dimmock on TV

Matt 18. 1 slight accident and never fallen off. Ride carefully ! All 18 year olds think they're immortal - sadly they are often proved wrong. You should look into the Honda MAC course if you haven't already.

3/9/2001 From John Pettifor (pettiforj@yahoo.co.uk)

Whooo hooo, excellent fun had in Bruges, a superb place, with its idilic water canals, and tall colourful buildings, we sat and drank 'Kwak' beer with some great food...nice

The DV was excellent two up with a 52ltr top box filled (especially on the way back) and both panniers, I found the weight was still distriputed well, and the torque really seemed to just trundle on, the only little niggle was at exactly 5000rpm it was pinking/misfiring slightly, which I have only noticed happens when fully loaded, so not to much of a problem.

Around the town of Bruges, where we did get a little lost in all the one way cobbled streets, the handling was so easy and faultless, eventually found the Europ Hotel just north of the main square, they even had a below ground secure garage, which was very handy, we were wandering the streets by 11am.

On the journey notice a few other DV's one red and another black both heading in the other direction, funniset thing was at a petrol station a trike Goldwing with a small dog in a comfortable looking bed on the tank pretty happy, had to take a piccie with its owner, just about to ride off.

Still love the DV

JP

If you have trouble finding neutral when stationary just blip the throttle a little and it drop in every time. if you see a red DV with two fluorescent strips up the front screen around the M40 and M25 its me!

Safe riding,

John Russell

Hello Chris, UK Friends.

About the Metzeler MZ4, just last saturday (25/08/01) I have bought me a front tyre of this type! Because I felt not secure with the Macadam at front, espescialy in the wet conditions.

So the story I'm told was: this tyre was just a littele bit better in durability en performance than the BT020, the one I was going for. So I listened to the "Experts" and made the deal, cost HFL. 390 (incl. balancing and tyre fitting ) BT020 cost HFL. 320. (I give the frontweel in by hand ).

Now a have to make some KM's, !! This weekend I'm going to make a trip off 380 KM's, then I know more of his (positive) behaviour,I hope ! So when I made my km's I, I will tell you about my experiences with it.

28/8/2001 From Dave North (Dave.North@mclaren.co.uk)

Hello,

I thought it was about time I contributed something to this excellent site, since I've been reading it for free for months.

I have a black S reg DV which I bought fourth-hand last year, now has about 20k on the clock. Exhaust was usual rust-bucket but this has now been replaced by a shiny new one, thanks to a car driver who pulled a signal-free u-turn in front of me. There was remarkably little damage despite sliding 10 yards down the road, thanks to the DV bumper bars.

I've been through the usual selection of windscreens and find that for me (5'11") the standard one is favourite. So I have available a black flip-up screen and a tall clear Honda screen, if anyone's interested.

No real problems with the bike, except it's hard to get it into neutral at traffic lights if the clutch has been pulled for more than a few seconds. I think this is due to clutch drag/heating/distortion, although the cable is properly adjusted. Any thoughts, anyone?

Another thing, does anyone know the correct oil level for the front forks?? See the FAQ page for John Russell's fork oil change recipe.

Thanks,

David North

28/8/2001 From John Pettifor (pettiforj@yahoo.co.uk)

You may have guessed I have sold the Triumph Speed Triple 900 and bought an S-reg 8K grey DV from Lloyd Cooper Motorcycles in Hemel Hempstead.

My first impression is the way the DV holds its weight so low, it handles easier than the SP3, 100 times more comfortable.

The Insurance is about half that of the Sp3, I could get 200 miles from the Sp3 with 25litres of fuel. I have 200 miles on the DV clock and still haven't filled up, so that's amazing.

I have changed the Higher Honda screen that was fitted for the original Honda screen which came with the bike, as I find it better for the weather at present. The larger one does seem to drag you forward at greater speeds.

The acceleration on the Sp3 was much quicker, but the Torque of the V-twin really makes up for it. And as for the Shaft drive I can see that being a god send as I really have got fed up with oily chains.

Brilliant site, Brilliant bike, just not to keen on some of the Sporty biker comments. First commute this morning, and I loved it, really enjoying the DV, but, why is it, that when you talk to other bikers about it, they react so harshly and say things like 'old farts machine', 'a slipper wearing soft slow pipe smoking car of a bike', 'err its boring looking' or 'why didn't you get a fireblade' its just about pissing me off.

I seem to have to justify it, saying it handles brilliantly, is powerful enough, even when we went for a ride out, a guy on a Honda X11 said when we stopped, 'blimey you were going for it, couldn't keep up' I said 'didn't think I was going that fast, sorry'.

So why do people say these things, Is because they read a magazine that says its boring, and they condemn the bike, how can you criticise something when you haven't tried it. I love it, so they can all sod off. It's herd mentality...

Cheers

John

27/8/2001 From Chris (rager@pacific.net.sg)

Hi there,

I am wondering if any of you guys have try out Metzeler ME Z4's? Wonder if it would be suitable for the road usage in singapore? Pleases give me some comment regarding to the above tyres.

Rgds Chris.

Hi again

The rideout - so far I've agreed to walk in the Pyrenees on Sept 8th/9th and also do the South Downs Way on a mountain bike. Neither event has yet been confirmed, so I may be able to do the rideout instead. Will let you know asap!

Mudguard extender - I bought mine through MPS at £11.99 (see page 16 in their catalogue, free with RiDE mag, or www.thefastone.co.uk)

DVs for sale - BikeWorld in Southend have a new one (a parallel I assume) in red for £4999 - tel 01702 341846

Cheers - Paul Sutcliffe

23/8/2001 From Inge Fenstad (ingebf@pvv.org)

Hello

I am a 31 year old guy from Trondheim, Norway. I have not much of a Deauville experience to speak of YET, but I would consider myself a very potential DV-fan.

To make a long story short: last week I finally decided to take the motorcycle licence after pondering about this idea through the whole summer. And I found out I was in a bit of hurry. The last courses for the season started last weekend (after the 1st of October all training schools and issuing authority stops riding as about this time temperatures goes below zero (centigrades).) I jumped on this last course and are beginning practical training on monday. So that will be my first time on a real motorcycle, and I am really excited. Enjoy it.

While at the training-center (which is next to the local Honda-dealer) I first laid my eyes on a Honda Deauville, and immideately I thought this was a great bike. About the right size, not too sporty (I am no longer fascinated by extreme power and speed) and a little storing-space without looking like a summer tourist all the time. I don't have to tell you that this bike lit a little flame in my heart. Even though I am several weeks from getting my lisence I have laid plans for testing out the DV as soon as I am allowed (I just hope it will be before spring which is in March-April where I live.)

I hope it all lives up to my expectations :)

If you like I'll keep you all posted on how my training are progressing. Please felle free to give me any advice, even though I have driven cars for 13 years I actually feel like I am gonna be a newcomer in traffic. Just imagine everyone is out to kill you, and you won't go far wrong. The real learning starts once you've passed your test.

Regards

Inge

Hi

Site is still great Im pleased to say . I've been test riding so many bikes .

Such as

Honda VFR 800i ( WoW ) ( Its Fast ) ( Loose your licence )

Honda Blackbird ( Armchair Racer )

Honda Varedero ( Sucks Petrol Like its going out of fashion )

Truimph Bonnie ( new model )

Truimph Tiger ( You Gotta be Tall )

BMW R1150GS ( WoW ) ( What a bike but no fairing, would be cold in winter )

But Im still on my Deauville 60mpg + Cheap Insurance + Good all rounder

Ok, with regards the run out , sounds good to me, Im up for it , Just confirm the date and it will go in my diary ..

Regards Edd

21/8/2001 From John Elliott (john@homepage.net)

Thanks for a really good web site - your's and other comments convinced me that the Deauville was the right first bike for me having done a DAS course and test earlier in the year. For some romantic reason I went to the Harley-Davidson place in deepest Wales - learnt and took my test on a Sportster! The cool thing is once you've passed they take you on a ride out on the "big bikes" - so my first non L-plate ride was on a Fat Boy through some great Welsh countryside.

Decided that a Hog was more romantic than practical and looked at the DV. I went for a test ride at Hartgate and was so shocked at how easy it was to ride rather than the Hogs.

Ended up getting a new one (as I couldn't find anything second hand I liked) from Metropolis in Barnett. Beigie with a colour matched Givi E460 that they took from a second hand DV (a deal sweetener). I picked it up on Friday and took the long route to the office. This weekend I took it and my Girlfriend up to see my parent in Yorkshire so, have done the running in already, some 550 miles in a couple of days, mostly two-up. The DV's back at Metropolis today having it's 500 mile service.

The verdict is that everything everyone else said is right. It's comfortable, goes fast enough, handles well and does just what it says on the side of the box. Now to work out the screen dilema, I'm luckily short but the turbulance on the standard screen hits the helmet at 78.

Many thanks again for the advice through the site, and look forward to meeting you on a warm sunny weekend in September!

If any of you would be interested in meeting up for a DV rideout sometime, please send me an email to the usual address: honda_deauville@hotmail.com . I guess we'd want to do it before the weather gets too awful, and it'd either be on a Saturday, or a Sunday afternoon. General area would probably be Herts/Bucks/Beds, since that's around where I live, although I'm open to suggestions for where to go.

'allo Deauvillieres!

My previous essay on midrage carburation has sendt some of you people to puzzle land. To lead the bewildered out of the mist, i have checked the workshop log ( the people in pit lane keeps a record of nearly everything ) and it says:

NT650V, reg nr SV7929, date 15 may 2000, Km 32986 - www.mcmarine.no - MC Marine as - quote:

Customer has for a period of time complained that the engine runs faulty around 4800 rpm. Ran in dynobench /lambda measurement, showed that lowspeed and midrange vas much too lean. Removed carburators and dismantled. Broached low speed jet up (5 bigger). Shimmed jet needle up 0.5 mm. Runs ok.

trond.johnsen@student.uib.no

16/8/2001 From John Pettifor (pettiforj@yahoo.co.uk)

Hi all, very nce site by the way, I am in the process of either part ex, or selling my bike privately to purchase a second hand DV for about £4000 to absolute max of £4500.

My current bike is a Triumph Speed Triple 900, which has a fantastic engine and looks very nice, I have owned it 2 years and its now done 37K miles if anyone knows anyone who wants one then here's some pics:

http://uk.geocities.com/pettiforj/bikeforsale.html

The reason I want a Deauville, is due to the type of riding I do , is mostly commuting and occasionally two up touring, I ride all year round and really like the idea of a fairing and shaft drive, I will probably have to readjust to the power, but I'm sure the comfort and practicality will prevail.

Any tips on buying or where to buy would be great.

Cheers John

16/8/2001 From Ashley Sear (t.a.sear@btinernet.com)

Hi,

Thanks for the superb site...it was one of the best sources of info while I was choosing the machine!

I have had my Deauville since may and have opted for the Honda tall screen. The protection from the weather is great,but not the wind noise! I am 6ft tall and the top of the screen is level with my chin,at speeds over 35mph wind noise becomes obtrusive,although its not that much worse at 70 mph.

I wear glasses and really like a flip up helmet-(I am currently using a Caberg J1 ).Do any of your contributors have any experience or ideas about a different flip helmet that is quiet? or an 'addon' other than earplugs that would reduce the noise?

The final solution is a surgeon to take 6 inches out of my body,because when I duck down below the screen level all becomes tranquil!

14/8/2001 From Danny Maylin (danny.maylin@ubsw.com)

Had to let you know that your website helped me make the decision of purchasing a Deauville.

Quick back-ground....... been riding since about 8 yrs old, used to race v-twin godden side-car on grass-track, finally decided to get legal on the road. Had to get permission from the missus, so did a lot of research. Narrowed down my necesseties:- Shaft drive (that narrowed down a lot) due to plenty of motorway and city commuting, with the intention of not being a fair-weather-biker. Some kind of fairing for weather protection. Ability to carry a lot of gear (1 short, fat rider. his missus-therefore ample/comfortable pillion seat. panniers. box. and tank-bag). Cost of running - low.

I did my research, narrowed it down and hired a Deauville out for a long weekend, and off me and the missus went. She loved it, felt comfortable, although she started to moan about rear-end numbness after 200 - 300 miles.

I toured the classifieds to try to find a low mileage, good conditioned, cheap bike. Found one, have been riding 3 weeks to and from work, and loving it. Have covered nearly 1,500 miles in the last 3 weeks (bike now has just under 9,000 showing), and have found that the front gets jittery under heavy braking. Checked the front tyre and see that it's become stepped. Has anyone else found this ? Also, got a new Macadam on the back, it's good, and wonder what's the best suggestion for a new front. Also any suggestions for the best replacement of the front pads ??

Many thanks for helping me in changing my life for the better. I don't think I could have used the train for one more day.

DM

Wish me luck, I've got my IAM test on Monday…

11/8/2001 From Daniel Potts (danielpotts@lineone.net)

Firstly I would like to congratulate you on a wonderful web site. Ta. I am considering buying a Deauville after being away from bikes for quite a while. Finally after an awful lot of nagging the wife has finally agreed to me getting a new bike. I would like to ask if anyone knows whether a mudflap is available to fit to the front mudguard to keep the rubbish on our roads from covering the engine. because of the amount of salt our wonderful councils put on the road, even when there is no ice about, and the comments I have read regarding corrosion on the Deauville I think a mud flap would be extremely useful.

Regards

Daniel Potts

8/8/2001 From John Bell (john@johnbell.co.uk)

Hi Folks

A wee update on my bike so far. Had the 4000 mile service done at the end of May. In case you fancy a comparison, here's the cost breakdown (in UK Pounds):

2 hours labour @ 30 per hour = 60.00

Oil filter = 6.90

Sump washer = 0.17

Castrol GP Oil = 20.00

Sub Total = 87.07

VAT = 15.24

TOTAL = UKP 102.31

Interestingly the same oil at the 500 mile service cost 13.50, a mere 48% increase! Might be worth asking the dealer about that…

Overall the bike has been great with no problems, though I have noticed the 'brake judder' thingy, will maybe get that looked at while still under warranty.

Went up to Fort William (100 mile north from Glasgow) the other weekend with the girlfriend on the back, a brilliant run up the side of Loch Lomond and on through Glen Coe etc, A82 all the way from Glasgow, highly recommended. Anyway, very comfortable journey for both of us, with the standard panniers and a small backpack sufficient for the two of us for a weekend. You do notice the bike struggle a bit with someone on the back, but not to the extent where overtaking is a problem, you just have to bear it in mind when planning the manoeuvre.

So, I'm still well chuffed with my Deauville and it still looks quite good considering it's came through a Scottish winter with probably less attention (in the cleaning department) than it deserved!

Keep up the good work on the site.

8/8/2001 From Richard Frampton (r.j.frampton@lboro.ac.uk)

Hi, does anyone have experience of how Deauvilles cope with high mileage. I have the chance at a pristine but high mileage ex-courier bike for 2.5 UKP. It is 1.5 years old, has 100,000 miles on the clock but a spot on Honda service record. All appears ok, but I'm concerned about the longevity of the head bearings, driveshaft and engine components to name but a few things. Any experience of high mileage bikes would be appreciated.

Richard Frampton.

2/8/2001 From Peter Metcalfe (peter.metcalfe@ntlworld.com)

Hi,

After reading comments on screens I thought I'd take the plunge and buy a new screen. Got hold of a Givi - special order from M&P. I'm 5 foot 11 but long body short legs - wind noise was unbearable. I have since swapped back to original but am considering getting the Honda Screen - yes I know it looks terrible.

Upshot is that if anyone wants a Givi screen email me with offers. Also if anyone has a good condition high Honda screen for sale etc.

Hi again

Just to say I agree with Nigel Pannell, having swapped my meccano-modified Powerbronze screen (the meccano addition being designed to eliminate the colossal noise on the helmet) for the Honda one it is like riding in a bubble of still air (in fact I've just put the short Honda screen back on because I've been getting too hot this last week).

Thanks for the advice from everyone on headlamps. Interesting thing is, UK-spec'd bikes DO have a neutral headlamp beam but European-spec'd (mine at least) don't! There is a deeper triangular section on the nearside which puts a higher light pattern onto the offside. I've used the headlamp adjusters to make it as neutral as possible.

Plus the advice on changing front fork oil. I've not done it yet, but the idea of heavier oil (for a heavier biker) appeals...

PS The 24,000 mile service cost £249 in the end. I got a long list of things changed or checked and am assuming that they did do those things (at least I know the fairing came off, cos they forgot to replace one of the bolts).

The replacement DV they loaned me as a courtesy bike also sounded like a tractor, so I guess it is a design feature. I would recommend riding another DV if you get the chance - amazing how different it can be, but gives you something to judge your own bike against.

PPS - No problem with wrists but I get nerve pressure in my right hand - lots of tingling after 50 miles or so...

Paul Sutcliffe

2/8/2001 From Richard Versteeg (rm.versteeg@hccnet.nl)

Hello Nigel.

(Excuse for the writing folts.)..I have some Info for you.) I had the same problem,! That is, the handlebars are somewhat too far away and a littebit to low.I have solved te problem of "to Low"!! And i can tell you that 20 mm up makes a lot off differance.!! I have to find me a friend/mecanic how is capable of working with aluminium , and I succeded! (no costs at all...) He made me a couple of alu bloks between the original "slot" an the handlebarplate, so the handlebar coms up for 20 mm.!

For safety you have to make shure that there is a littebit at least 3mm (or fully, is nicer..) of metal, downfilling the old hollow of the original handlebar holes. (that is to absorb and eliminate the forwardforce by haevvy breaking )When not, you will have to many forward forces only on the bolts, and no sideway stability!!

I have a drawwing of this piece, and IF a can,I will dowload it to the pc, so I can send you (if you want it) with E-mail a copie. Then, if you find someone ho is handy,(yourself, maybe?) you can go copying it! But the main message is : It can be done!! (I have the prove... ((:>)))

Now some Info for you

There is also a companie in Germany who is making sutch pieces (from hearseaying..) who sets your handlebar up for 20mm, an backwards (to you) for 40mm!! but It cost nearly 270.= Dmark!! They have an adress on the I-net to. I think it is: HTTP://www.verholen.de TEL: (.+.) 02166232564 city: VIERSEN, GERMANY

Ther Is also a STORE In holland, (LOUIS POSTORDERING) how are selling this item

I heard something of a price of 119,= HFL!! for two pieces of alu.

But THEY HAVE NOT THE FORM TO FILL-up THE ORIGINAL OLD HANDLEBAR HOLES!! so you are taking a great risk by using them!!

So , that for now!!!

If you want info , please E-mail me free.

I hope i have helped you(and some other UK bikers) out...

BikeGreatings, Richard.

Just to give you an update of my trial of 15wt fork oil as promised. I started off originally by changing to 20wt oil and this significantly improved both the ride and the handling of the bike. After a year I changed the oil, and this time I thought I would try 15wt oil. After six hundred miles I think that although it is much better than the Honda original oil, it is not as good as 20wt. As it only costs about £6 to replace I will most probably replace it in the spring. No sense in having second best when it's so cheap to change.

John

Ref the question of where to put the tax disc. Just behind the left foot peg is a small lug. I found a threaded bolt and nut to fit and put the disc holder there. Its also out of the spray and muck so doesn't get covered in debris etc. Does anyone know why that bracket is there anyway?

Brian Reed

31/7/2001 From Nigel Pannell (pannell@ntlworld.com)

hi,

I have just chopped my virago in for a new deauville (white) Does traffic melt out of your way ? A white helmet and a hi-viz jacket would seem to be ideal accessories to your new machine. I think it is a super bike (bit like this site) I fitted a givi screen on it as I was getting a bad draught round my neck using an open faced helmet, went for a ride and turned back after a couple of miles, the noise round my helmet was horrendous and my wife on pillion said it threw her head about so I took it back to my dealer and he let me swap it for the tall Honda one ,this was a lot better we now seem to be well sheltered, although with this good weather its a bit hot.

I am 5ft 7ins and I find that my wrists ache after a few miles as I seem to lean the handlebars heavily is there anybody out there knows about raising the handlebars my dealer said it couldn't be done. You'll probably get used to it - my wrists used to ache as well, but they're now "broken in".

Nigel Pannell

RE: License discs: I put mine on the inside of my (Givi) windscreen, together with a Brittania rescue sticker (pessimist) and IAM membership badge (proud and slightly vain old man that I am). I used a Halfords plastic licence holder for cars, and so far all have remained firmly attached (It doesn't get very wet on the back side of the windshield

Regards, John Warner (aka Kruella_Deville)

30/7/2001 From John Feltham (jrfeltham@yahoo.co.uk)

Great site with lots of useful info. I've had my Deauville for two years now from new, done 14K miles, and have now decided to chop it in for a second hand Triumph Sprint Executive. Might regret it, (I'll let you know) because I've really liked the DV but it does need that extra bit of puff.

However, I consequently have 2 large black panniers for sale. Brilliant if you want to look like a normal human being when you get off the bike because they each take a helmet easily plus over trousers etc etc. and don't upset the stability of the bike. Also large screen in smoke - £20 and an orange headlight cover that matches the indicators - £5

If you're interested email me or ring me on 01908 564185. Sorry to say I have used Editor's privilege and nabbed the pannier lids, but the other items are available. John's Triumph looks very nice.

John Feltham

27/7/2001 From Trond Johnsen (trond.johnsen@student.uib.no)

I bought my Duvvie in august 1999 - still under warranty, with 12,500 km on the clock. During the following winter and spring i experienced carburation problems around 4500-5000 Rpm in some weather conditions. These conditions beeing 110- 200% humidity i suspected. I took the bike to my dealer's workshop and they did their thing to the carbies. Happy, I went for a test ride - the mechanic said it was the first Duvvie he had adjusted and he'd appreciated some feedback - thinking the problem was solved. I rode from Bergen via Kvamskogen to Nordheimsund, around 1 hour of absolutely fabulous, all kinds of riding, uphill, twisties, stretches, downhill riding each way, making sure the engine got both thoroughly warm and that it had to breethe in some altitude ( metres above sea level, enough of them i mean ).

Back in the workshop i reported no problems in the area mentioned, but what had they done to the top? I felt it was completely gone. No, the mechanic said, he had done nothing to the top range, only boosted the midrange up, making the top rush dissapear. In other words more HP on tap up to around 6000 - 6500 Rpm, and the same amount as before above that. He explained that due to environmental regulations and stuff, big H makes the bike puff out pure flower soil in factory spec, as to look good on paper. He had Dynoed the bike (maybe i can get my Dyno chart? hum), so his opinions were not merely guesses, but more based upon quantifyable scientific measurments carried out in his pursue to relief my Duvvie of it's dead spot.

So here's to all you DV riders out there: Get your carbs sorted, and the want for more cubes will diminish. Adjusting the carbs is the cheapest way to more midrange HP, and oodles of more fun in the twisting department.

Highly recommended. I used to be a dull ville rider, but after i got my carbs adjusted - every day has become an intoxicating experience of joy.

Trond M Johnsen Bergen Norway. Deauville 1998 - 65,300 km

27/7/2001 From The Wilkes (wilkes36@onetel.net.uk)

I bought a 18 month old Deuville in June this year, for £3300 with 2500 miles on clock (4000 8 weeks on) it was a UK bike but had been a class 3 write off, i.e. R/H fairing pannier and front fairing. On a run such as to the British bike GP averaging 70mph both ways gave 65-68mpg, the same trip with more windy and wet conditions averaging 80mph to gave 58 mpg (following a group of sports bikes) and averaging 75mph on return gave 63mpg.

The bike is perfect for my purposes and if not for the usual high cost would have been on my list a long time ago.

The only faults are :-

1) That the clock re-sets to 1:00 am each time the ignition is turned off.

2) One disk brake disk is gradually distorting - at 4000miles only, (every bike I have owned seems to develop a buckled disk).

3) The front forks are very poor they are soft yet do not act quick enough to absorb bumps, I have tried reducing tyre pressure at the front but there appears little change and significantly effects the handling.

4) There is an occasional small glitch upon acceleration possibly to with the apparent weak running of the engine hence good fuel consumption with the hint of less than ideal traction associated with weakish running. I had an Aprilia Pegaso3 that would do 40mpg whether you went fast or slow, but it was so strong and smoooooth.

5) Am concerned that an aftermarket exhaust is not available for this machine, what is the life of the exhaust. No failures reported here, yet.

20/7/2001 From Colin Prosser (colinprosser@wattstruckandvan.co.uk)

This may seem like a trivial question but i've owned my deauville since october 2000 and i still can't figure out a simple place to fit my tax disc holder.......a bike i borrowed from my local dealer had the disc holder attached to the front of the bolts at the bottom of the forks next to the brake disc.......looks awful !! That's where mine is…

Any ideas anyone ?

Colin