Discussions (Feb 2001 onwards)

Note: Later contributions now at the top...

My current intercom is the Autocom rider/pillion unit, which cost £250 at last years Motorcycle show. Pricey I know, but it simply the best intercom I have ever tried. The system I bought uses VOX control, so it only switches the mikes on when you talk, the noise cancelling is the best I have ever heard, and that includes those found on military helicopters. My wife and I can hold clear conversations at any speed - except when I had the powerbronze flip screen on when the wind noise for my wife limited use to about 80mph. My CD player plugs in directly, as can my mobile phone. The CD input auto reduces in volume when there is any speech. and the unit is bike-powered. Bike-to-bike is available as an option.

In the past I have tried cheap units, such as the Oxford BikeMike, which is always on, and is not noise cancelling. This gives a constant tiring and irritating background noise. Not recommended.

I have a friend with a non-electronic intercom - whose name I cannot remember (the intercom, not the friend). This unit consists of plastic tubes, connected via a collector box stuck on the outside of your helmet, which he says works well and allows clear speech under all his riding conditions. The downside of this is the ugly external collector box, and the fact that the ear-piece plugs into your ear. My friend says that this feels exactly the same as using earplugs though and shouldn't be to much of a problem to most people. I think he said the unit cost about £60, but I am not sure about this.

Cya,

Andy Long

I'm experiencing a problem with the DV right now - it cruises fine at 65mph, but then starts to 'miss' at higher speed - it kind of skips a beat every couple of seconds. It's a bit like a bucking bronco at 70mph but then eases up at 80mph. It also eases up when going downhill.

Anyone any ideas on cause? I'm not sure whether to look at ignition, timing, electrics, fuel pump or carb jets...

Keep up the good work.... Paul Sutcliffe

22/4/2001 From John Russell (jrussell@tesco.net)

Hi All,

I've bought a huge box of 200 motorcycle ear plugs and want to sell 150 pairs. I was wondering if anybody is interested in buying some? They are 'Pura-Fits' by Moldex and are guaranteed to reduce noise by 31 decibels. All individually packaged - only £7.50 for 25 pairs including P+P. They sell at 95p per pair in the shops. Email John if you're interested - sounds like a bargain.

John

I have fitted heated grips (Hein Geirike), an intercom and cd player to my DV. These are all powered via a fused relay bought from Halfords. The relay itself is switched by the built in accessory supply. This is found at the rear of the bike, right hand side, below the frame rail. What sort of intercom did you get - how much and is it any good ? I've got a mate with an Autocom that works well, but for £350 fitted, so it ought to. Anyone know if the really cheapo intercoms work well enough ?

As for seat height, those of us who are short in the leg can get some relief by having some foam removed from the seat - best if a gel pad is fitted to retain comfort. PP Seats of Birmingham will do this work(www.ppseats.co.uk i think). I had my seat converted into a king and queen by them, it looks good and is comfortable, my wife having complained about the standard seat.

Thanks to Dave Brown for the piccy of the skidmarx fairing lowers. Helped me to decide to see if I can get the Spanish TCP fairing lowers in the UK, as this is colour matched and looks good on their web site (well it would wouldn't it).

As for screens I have tried the standard - too low, tall - pulls me forwards at speed, increases fuel consumption and looks wrong, Nuvo (powerbronze) looks wrong, obscures mirrors and increases wind noise. So I will try the TCP version if I can get it. BTW, I have found that my fuel consumption has decreased since I started using ULS fuel - or is it me deluding myself - anyone else notice any difference?

Cya,Andy Long

20/4/2001 From John Wheeler (ridertraining@iol.ie)

Nice site, helpful. I'm stuck here in Ireland, badly want a Deauville, precious little choice here. Joanne Lacy ended up buying one in England and taking it over herself (see discussion section of Yahoo UK Deauville club).

Ideally looking for a recent(ish) one, low(ish) miles, ideally with topbox, touring screen and lower fairing and if at all possible in WHITE. Allegedly, you can only buy a white one new in the UK if you are a copper or a training school. So there aren't many about, you'll be lucky to find one. If you can get MCN in Dublin, try the classifieds, or alternatively, www.loot.com , www.autotrader.com.

Any suggestions where to find one such?

John Wheeler

Director, Irish Rider Training Association

co/ Roadrunner 1000 MCC

PO Box 7279

DUBLIN 18

Tel & Fax: 01 294 0487 Mobile 086 813 9033

20/4/2001 From John Russell (jrussell@tesco.net)

I cut a radio shaped hole in the glove box. It shouldn't let water in as it's well protected and water doesn't spray that high from the wheel. I don't anticipate problems but will let you know if I have any.

Fitted the Givi screen today and I'm completely satisfied at speeds up to 60mph. There is more noise than on the Honda screen (which is relatively quiet) but the same wind protection and it looks superb. Haven't had the opportunity to open her up with the new screen yet but I sure it will prove to be excellent. The cost was 49.99 + VAT and £5 delivery charge.

John

19/4/2001 From Dave Brown (daveandpolly@ukgateway.net)

Hi There,

It's been a while since I contributed to your site, My computer crashed big time and I had to reformat the hard disk. Unfortunately I lost the address for this site and was then unable to locate it again using the usual search engines. Luckily I had passed it on to a friend, who still had it in his deleted folder. I wonder if any one else has had any problems finding the site? Needless to say I now have the address safely noted down elsewhere. I've tried google, altavista, lycos and MSN and easily found the site. Yahoo doesn't have it, even though I submitted it to them (that's what you get for having humans involved in the process).

Since I last wrote I have fitted the fairing lowers (skidmarks), £120 from M.P.S. Heated grips (Hein Gericke), £10 from a workmate (ex-biker) and the wind deflectors £25 (Honda).

I borrowed a digital camera and have included some pictures of the fairing as I believe it may be of interest to any one considering fitting one. It seems to be of reasonable quality, the finish is a very glossy black, but I think it looks O.K. It does however seem to be quite fragile on the underside, so I may reinforce it next time it's removed for servicing. The heated grips and wind deflectors are superb, I can comfortably ride in summer gloves on cold dry days, and only use winter gloves when it's wet. Shrunk pictures are available on the pictures page - thanks.

Just before my computer gave up there was quite a discussion on various types of top box. When I bought my bike in September 99 I was quoted something like £400 for the Honda box and fitting kit. That is way over the top - should be about £150 for the basic box + kit (no coloured panels or pillion pad) After a lot of consideration I opted for one by Kappa at 48 liters. I think it's actually made by Givi, as it fits the Givi mounting plate, it ended up costing about £170 including the mounting plate. I have so far not really found any difference in handling if the box fitted, fully loaded or empty, their web address is www.phoenixnw.co.uk and phone number is 0870 750 5315 if anyone is interested.

Finally can anyone tell me the correct method for setting the rear suspension, I have adjusted it in an effort to lower the rear slightly,(I'm somewhat vertically challenged and so every millimeter counts!!) but it seems to make little or no difference to either the height or ride. It's only adjustable for preload, so I'm not sure that is supposed to affect ride height - it should make some difference to the ride if you use insufficient preload and a heavy load though.

Best Regards,

Dave

19/4/2001 From John Burrows (jburrows@emirates.net.ae)

Can anyone know if a European spec DV headlight will pass a UK MOT, if not any advice on where and how much a replacement would cost would be welcome, my local Honda agent doesn't want to even discuss spares for an import. I somehow doubt that most MOT stations would notice that on its own, but your bike probably has a kilometre speedo as well, which always tips them off that it's an import (and will be an MOT failure as well I think).

John

19/4/2001 From Brian Hall (bahbsc@hotmail.com)

At last I have found out the correct way to enter your email address.

After 10 years and thousands of miles, every week of the year, my 1978 R80 refused to die, but I had had enough. I now have a W reg Deauville, which is a pleasure to ride, and may last the rest of my motorcycling life.

I came across your web site looking for a discount supplier of Honda accessories. I am surprised that not one is listed. Does this mean that I have to pay the full price ? Is it possible to get them from Denmark where the bikes are so much cheaper. Don't know, but is the extra hassle worth it ?

I will need a taller screen, hand protectors, and the larger panniers. Aren't the standard ones winky wanky, with over complicated latches. Both my lids have at separate times fallen open. What is the clue about adjusting them ? I've not had a problem with them coming open, mine seem to fit very tightly indeed. You’re still under warranty so why not get the dealer to fix it. There have been problems with unavailability of the large lids - see below, we still don't know the full story on this.

Regards Brian Hall

18/4/2001 From John Russell (jrussell@tesco.net)

I have struggled with screens for the DV for nearly a year. Chopping between the standard and the Honda high screen. I like the look of the standard screen but it doesn't give much protection. The high screen on the other hand is superb for protection, but looks the pits. I feel embarrassed riding around with it as it makes it look like an old man's bike (some would say that's exactly what it is !) but I don't think 47 is old - ask any 60 year old! So I have finally decided to compromise and buy the Givi screen. I expect it to arrive later this week and will let you know how it works for the 5'9"'s. I know what you mean about the Honda screen, although I'm still happy with the tradeoff.

I fitted a radio/cassette to my bike today. I have located it in the left hand glove compartment. I had to cut away the bottom of the box and I also cut the straps so that the lid can come right off. This is ideal when riding as I can change stations and adjust the volume. Then when I park up I put the lid back on and all is hidden. The front of the radio comes off for security too. I bought the Goodmans RDS Radio/Cass from Argos £54.99 and Pioneer speakers £19.99. A black rubber aerial £6.99. This is mounted on the front left hand side (facing forward) running up the side of the windscreen. I have powered it directly from the battery as I didn't want to tap into the ignition system in case it messed up the HISS. Works perfectly and a lot cheaper than the Honda system. Very enterprising ! Do you mean you cut away the bottom of the glovebox ? Won't that let water in ?

John

10/4/2001 From Lehan (lehan@singnet.com.sg)

This is the most informative site on the Deauville that I have found so far and I'm really impressed with the content and discussions( as well as the answers).

I have been thinking about getting another bike as my 12 year-old Kawasaki EN400 is near retirement. I was torn between the Honda ST1100, Honda Pacific Coast, Suzuki S650 and Suzuki Super4, and frankly did not know much of the Deauville. Now I can say that I know enough to consider one and I'm quite sure its going to be the Deauville. The problem I foresee is that I am from Singapore (South East Asia) and I think I will have many problems getting the accessories like John Warner's Givi screens or the Spanish TCP one that Jorge suggested, let alone getting a colour match. I hope there will be someone familiar with my region. I would very much like to have as much fun as everybody else owning and riding the Deauville.

Lehan.

9/4/2001 From Peter (prthomas@iol.ie)

Re.Handguards. Could someone please recommend to me a reliable Honda Dealer in the U.K. who would mail order me a pair of handguards ( I don't know the accessories catalogue number).

I live in Southern Ireland and it is too much of a performance to order here, the dealers supply bikes and then the interest vanishes - or it seems to me. You could try Lloyd Cooper on 01442 253600. They're a good dealer & may be able to help.

Peter RT.

9/4/2001 From Brian Reed (brian.reed@lineone.net)

Having got the taller Honda screen I thought I'd be clever and fit it this afternoon. I'm usually ok with most of these things, the standard screen came off ok, but fitting the new one has defeated me. The problem is the well nuts, for the lower fixing. How the hell do you get those back in? All suggestions gratefully received.

(later)After much cursing and swearing I eventually managed to fit the new screen this morning. There must be a simpler method of changing the screen!?

Brian

7/4/2001 From Edd (freeball@lineone.net)

Hi All

I have been in touch with Powerbronze with ref " Flip Screen" for the Deauville again I understand the only one they are making at present is the model with the "ears" which I found unsatisfactory The "Double Bubble" is still under development

Regards Edd

4/4/2001 From Hugh Lacey (Hugh.Lacey@Hess.com)

Well, I suppose I was tempting fate by saying how pleased I was with the Deauville - the clutch went the next day - it seems it wasn't adjusted correctly to start with and I'd failed to notice 'cos I was being good about running in below 5000 revs. It started slipping badly and then after I'd had it adjusted the gear change became very "clunky" and neutral with the engine running a barely remembered luxury! It's still usable so I've got to wait for the parts and then it's being done under warranty - all a bit annoying really! Bad luck - perhaps the other Metropolis customers should get theirs checked too ?

Hugh Lacey

3/4/2001 From Lee Baldwin (lee.baldwin@tesco.net)

Hi all, I know that there have been many of us who have been searching for a Flip Screen that is not too large and is of reasonable quality and price. Well I may have to answer for you all.

I have just ordered a Flip Screen from Skidmarx (01305 780808 and ask for Chris). It is priced at only £42.83 including vat and delivery and is approximately 4" (100mm) higher than the standard screen which should be just enough to deflect the wind blast above my head (I'm 5'6" (1.68m)).

I've also ordered their fairing lowers which should be with me in about two weeks. As soon as they arrive I'll let you know about quality etc.

Bye for now,

Lee Baldwin

3/4/2001 From John Russell (jrussell@tesco.net)

I have found the headlight on the DV to be quite good, but never brilliant. So recently while walking around Halfords I was tempted to buy one of the new xenon gas bulbs which are supposed to be 30% brighter. I was very sceptical and when I got home and fitted it in, it certainly didn't look any brighter than the OE in the daylight. However, as soon as darkness fell it was a completely different story. The whole road lit up ! Seventy miles an hour in the dark on dipped beam ( albeit raised high) ensured effortless riding around dark twisty Scottish backroads. A very worthwhile buy and excellent value at £10. What you need is the Halfords H4 12v 55-65w Xenon bulb.

Regards,

John

3/4/2001 From Patrick Cray (patc@cableinet.co.uk)

Dear All,

I am still waiting a reply from Honda UK, about the continued existence or otherwise, of the large pannier lids for the black version of the DV. I have also asked them if they big lids have been discontinued across the board? or whether it is just the lids for bikes in none current colours - if the black lids have bit the dust, I wouldn't hold out much hope for getting a brown set as this colour bike did not survive beyond the first year of production.

Hi, I'm from Spain (sorry about my English) and a happy owner of a "Dolly". I like your site witch I frecuently visit. I would like to answer rdiaz. I think the prolongation he is talking about is the one that TCP, an spanish company make. Here is the link: http://www.tcpsa.com/ . This company also manufactures a high and effective windscreen for the Deauville.

Fun and safe biking,

Jorge

Like Hugh, I bought a Deauville from Metropolis in Barnet in March. Mine was 2 years old and came ready fitted with Honda top box (pretty ugly) lower fairing and handlebar grips.

The grips have been a disappontment. There's been several cold mornings in March - air temperature around 3 deg C. Because I ride the 'ville through heavy traffic nearly all the time, my hands are permently touching the clutch or brake levers. The fingertips never get the benefit of the grips. In any case, the grips warm the inside of the hands and fingers, but it's the outside that gets cold. Also, the wiring to the heated grips is fairly untidy. I don't ride through traffic as much, but you're right, hands cool down quickly once you start using the icy metal levers a lot. Do you have the Honda grips ? Mine are wired in quite neatly IMHO

Given a choice between deflectors or grips I'd go for the deflectors every time.

Finally, I'd just like to say that I loved the Deauville thread on uk.rec.motocycles. My favourite comment:

"The motorcycle for people who don't really like motorcycles."

Doh?! Replace the last word with poseurs would be more accurate.

Nick W

I bought my D. 1/2001, and I can't start in gear with the clutch lever pulled. They are still doing them so!. My dealer says that the hole for the wrong part is too small for it. Actually, I had to wait, and in that time it has been working well. I'm going to change it, also if the original works, of course.

27/3/2001 From Hugh Lacey (Hugh.Lacey@Hess.com)

Hi,

Like your site a lot.Ta. I bought the next Deauville from Metropolis in Barnet after Brian's (see Discussion 26/03/2001). I saw his outside but couldn't have it cause he'd bought it. I had to wait for mine to come over on the boat, picking it up on the 10th of March. Mine's metallic red with top box, handlebar deflectors and fairing lowers (which still haven't arrived). I'm commuting into London (Victoria) from Hertford a round trip of about 60 miles so I've already clocked up about 650 miles! I've had the 500 mile service and all seems OK but I can't start in gear with the clutch lever pulled in so it's back to Barnet... Oh, so they're still making them like that !

The staff at Metropolis were very helpful - I did my direct access training with their training school and will probably be joining them on some of their rides out later in the Summer (it's rained EVERY day since I got the bike). Sucks, doesn't it. I rode to work yesterday and it was actually dry, no salt, loads of grip. Great fun.

My only slight moan about the Deauville is I think it should have a fuel gauge - other than that I'm more than pleased with it, although with the recent weather I'm beginning to wish I'd got the heated grips! If you're planning on riding all year, get them fitted - they are really cool. Well, hot actually.

I'm looking for a waterproof cover - anybody any ideas/recommendations? I use a garage, myself.

Hugh Lacey

27/3/2001 From Patrick Cray (patc@cableinet.co.uk)

As a result of a e-mail I have received from Martin concerning the large pannier lids; in which he states he has tried several dealers in the Nottingham area and all have told him following online enquiries, that the large black lids are discontinued, I have written to Honda UK today Tuesday 27th March 2001, asking for an explanation. I am concerned that accessories are being discontinued for bikes still under warranty mine included!

If this is the case I feel that Honda are providing very poor backup - what about repairs? Do we have to ride about with two tone DVs if we want the bigger lids? It also crossed my mind have all the big lids been discontinued and what about the standard lids are they still available in black?

I'll let you know what Honda say if and when they reply to my letter.

Patrick

26/3/2001 From Brian Reed (brian.reed@lineone.net)

Good site, well done (thanks) . Helped me in my decision to get a Deauville. Picked it up 3rd March, so have only done 250 miles so far, mostly 11 mile commute into central london. I've managed one short (35 mile) trip out of town and the bike felt comfortable, stable and handled well, much better than my last bike; a Yamaha (600cc) Diversion. The Deauville is a world apart from the Divi, even in town, with great brakes, good acceleration and useful panniers. I find the standard screen directs the windflow to my chin (I'm 5ft 8.5ins), so I've ordered the taller Honda screen which I'm told will take 2 weeks to come through. By the way I got my bike from Metropolis in Barnet for GBP5,500, and they gave me a reasonable trade-in price for the Divi.

Only trouble is I have managed somehow to get a small chip on the tank (don't know how) and wonder if anyone knows where I can get some touch-up paint for a beige(odd, everyone thinks it's gold!) Deauville. Try your dealer ?

Safe biking

Brian Reed

Il n'existe pas de site en france pour les Deauville. Merci et bravo, mais je lis mal l'anglais.
amitiè

In the last meeting in Miranda de Ebro, in Spain, I saw two diferent Deauvilles with a prolongation of the fairing. There were not those we know (small, black, not very useful) but in bike´s color and they covered the whole motor. It was like a full fairing, as I had not seen before. Who sells it? And, The price?.

I noted with some surprise and consternation Martin's message of the 13th March 2001, that he is being told that Honda is no longer supplying the larger pannier lids for the black DV. Whilst I was not thinking of buying the bigger lids, the thought that Honda are discontinuing accessories for bikes that were current up to and including 31/12/99, does not please me at all. What about repairs to accident damaged machines etc. etc.

Spoke to my local Honda dealers John Hall & Son, Blackpool this afternoon 15/03/01 when I was buying some engine cleaner, and they reckon that there would be no problem in getting a pair of black 27 litre pannier lids. The appropriate part number for the lids is 08L51-MBL-810 and the RRP including VAT is £225.00. I would be very surprised and disappointed if Honda are discontinuing any accessories for a popular bike that has only been around since 1998. The black DV was produced in 2 versions the 1998 NT650V - W and the 1999 NT650V - X.

Patrick

14/3/2001 From Norman McCollum (stormin@onetel.net)

MPS are offering a top box of 42ltrs for the Deauville at £59.99 and the sports bracket at £39.99. These are due in now. The price is the best I have seen.

Tel: 01626-835835. Box-Part no. BD4200 Bracket: BDH2547. Also ask for an up to date catalogue.

Norman McCollum.

Just bought a new Deauville 1st March. Greeeeat

13/3/2001 From Martin Concannon (martin.concannon@ntlworld.com)

Well, I put in an order for a pair of large pannier lids before christmas. I have just been told today that, for my black deauville, they have been discontinued. anyone have a spare set for sale? Seems surprising…

martin

13/3/2001 From John Russell (jrussell@tesco.net)

I tried a little experiment recently, having already raised the forks by 9mm (see FAQ on this site for details) I returned them to normal for 500 miles then changed them back again to see if there was much difference. Well there is. It makes an unbelievable difference. The bike turns in so much easier and handles so much better. It really seems planted and feels so much better. If you haven't tried it I would encourage you to do so. It's really worth it. The torque settings are 23 nm top bolts and 50 nm bottom bolts.

Have fun!

John

12/3/2001 From Chris (rager@pacific.net.sg)

Hi,

I am Chris from Singapore,This is one of the web site which some one introduce to me through the net, i am presently riding a deauville NT650 which i have bought a couple of months back.I have been trying to find out where n which are the places where i can order my accessories through the net. Kindly guide me. Thanks. Anyone know of an international mail order supplier ?

Chris.

In reply to Lees message ( 02/03/2001 ) I decided to contact Powerbronze in Sussex myself , with reference the information a friend and I had been given at the bike show . I spoke to a very helpful lady who advised me that a bubble type screen was still under development for the Deauville and to phone back in a couple of months for more info as at present they are very busy .

So could be worth waiting Lee if your in no rush

Regards Edd

6/3/2001 From John Bell (john@johnbellco.uk)

Hi Trevor

I haven't contributed to your excellent Deauville site for many months, but I do pass by to read the discussions on a regular basis, and have enjoyed the recent topbox debate, as I'm thinking of getting one for some small summer jaunts, I think the official Honda one sounds fine.

Anyway, the reason I write is to let you have a look at a small tale/article type thingy that I've written regarding running in my Deauville. I have one of these small Psion palmtop computers, which I carry with me all the time, so when I was running my bike in (last summer) I took notes -at the time - of the little trips I made. I finally got round to tidying the notes up and thought it might make for a bit of inspiration for prospective buyers, either that or it'll put them right off ! :-)

Anyway, I'll leave it to you to decide if you want to include a link to it:

http://www.johnbell.co.uk/deauville

I'll maybe include some pictures at some point and try and make it look a bit nicer ;-) Thanks again for the site, much appreciated.

Cheers

John.

2/3/2001 From Lee Baldwin (lee.baldwin@tesco.net)

Hi Everyone

I am replying to the comments made by Edd (26/2/2001) concerning the Powerbronze Flip Screen. I have spoken to Powerbronze concerning the smaller "Bubble" type flip screen, but they assure me that they have no plans to replace their current screen design and that the only two screens they supply for the Deauville are the standard and the much larger Emax version. The search continues. . . . .

Patrick: I've seen examples of Givi luggage at my local dealers John Hall & Son Blackpool and it looks excellent - though they didn't have any specific to the DV on display.

However when it comes down to it, I don't really believe there is much to choose between the Givi & the Honda. Once you have spent your money you tend to be a bit partial to the box you have bought. When I got my bike in October 1999, as far as I am aware there was only the Honda box available. The full works cost me £225.00 so prices seem to have gone down considerably. (The figure of £225.00 includes the box, all the fittings, coloured panels and the pillion pad).

I suppose it is also worth pointing out that the 45 litre Honda box fits a large number of Honda models e.g Varadero, Trans Alp etc.

In one of my recent moments of madness when pricing BMWs up at Southport Superbikes - £8950.00 for a R1100RS and this is before any luggage - I was quoted 'about' £350.00 for the panniers and another £250.00 for a top box. I won't be buying a beemer - I'm not totally sold on their machines anyway, I think their somewhat over hyped, and the Honda's seem to offer much better value - I would be very keen however on a NT750V or similar, especially if the standard panniers were a bit bigger.

John R: I've had a Honda top box for 10 months / 10,000 miles. I have found it to be an excellent piece of kit. I cannot comment about how it compares to other boxes because I haven't even seen anything else close up. Price wise I think I paid around £215 including the back rest (Box £135, Rack £30, Coloured panels £30 and backrest £20). Personally, I have not found any real problem having it on the back at speed or in windy conditions. It is very expensive but they all are. I find the ease of use and quality build off set the cost - I'm delighted with it. Also, if you ever sell the DV and buy a Pan you can take the box with you !

Patrick: I've had the Honda topbox for coming up 18 months and it seems fine to me. The topbox can be quickly fitted/removed from the DV, and has useful elasticised retaining straps. The box has proved to be completely waterproof, even in the most torrential rain.

Once you get a bit of practice of riding with the box, handling becomes pretty easy apart from in very strong side winds - though the bike definitely handles better without. I find the topbox almost indispensable for work when I need to wear a suit, it takes my helmet, waterproofs etc. etc without any problems - my boots fit in the panniers just about (one each side size 8).

In summary I have no hesitation in recommending the Honda box.

These prices & part numbers are from the 08/00 Honda UK motorcycle accessories brochure: -

Top Box 45L 08L55-MBL-800 £115.00

Top Box Carrier 08L42-MY5-C00 £25.00

Top Box Fitting Kit 45L 08Z51-MCB-800 £6.00

This equates to a total of £146.00 for the basic top box. On top of that you can opt for the panel kit £13.50 (primer) or £29.99 (various colours). I seem to remember paying extra for the pillion pad for my box but this does not appear to be listed, yet is shown in the accompanying photographs - perhaps it comes as standard now ? No, it's still extra.

Andy: You say that the Honda top box is cheaper than some of the other options, quoting £115 + £30 for a Givi (actually I meant £115 + £30 for the Honda one, Givi is more - I think about £140-150 for the box, and more for the fixing kit) . The Honda web site lists the top box as costing £205 including fitting kit + £19-50 for the back rest, if you have found a cheap source for the Honda box I would be interested as I think theirs is more asthetically pleasing on the DV. This was from my local Honda dealer, the price is printed in the accessories catalogue, so the website must be wrong.

John W: I have a Givi 46 litre top box that I'm very happy with. I think it is both stronger and smarter than the Honda box for not too much more money. Perhaps more importantly it has a smoother and more clutter-free interior. (I concur with John Russell's use of copper ease to make the DV side panels more easily removeable. I've done the same thing!)

Edd: I use a large Givi top box model e45 monokey , which is black and holds 2 helmets , and is very easy to take on and off . Of course I also had to purchase the adaptor plate . But if ever I change bikes no need to buy a new top box , just a new plate.

26/2/2001 From Me (honda_deauville@hotmail.com)

I want to get a top box for some light touring this summer. The 46L Honda one actually seems cheaper than the other aftermarket makes (e.g. Givi), at £115 for the box, plus about £25-30 for the rack and fitting kit. It seems well made too. So, any reason to go for a different make ?

If like me you are having trouble getting the side panels off, then a good way of solving the problem is to put a bit of copper grease on the rubber plugs. They then slip in and out easily.

John

26/2/2001 From Edd (freeball@lineone.net)

Hi All

With reference Lees comments on the flip screen from M&P, I also had the same problems ( I had made comments in a previous post ) . I have considered the Givi ( as it looks nice ) but not splashed out yet after my previous try . But !! I did have a good chat with a man from Powerbronze in Sussex , he informed me that they had adverse comments on the flip screen they were making /selling from Deauville owners and had withdrawn the product and come up with a new design .

I am informed that the new screen is more of a " Bubble " type screen than flip which causes less turbulence and throws the wind blast from the standard screen up by about 3 to 4 inches . Please note this is on info provided to me at the Ally Pally Show from the Powerbronze Stand ( www.powerbronze.co.uk ) But I still haven't splashed out yet

26/2/2001 From Patrick F Cray (patc@cableinet.co.uk)

Could I have feedback on how effective taller screens are at keeping the winter weather off? I'm pretty happy with the standard screen, but we have had some appalling weather recently and I would like group members views before I consider any purchase.

23/2/2001 From Lee Baldwin (lee.baldwin@tesco.net)

Has anyone fitted the Skidmarx lower fairing the their Deauville as I'm thinking of buying them and would like to know what they are like. The small picture in the new MPS catalogue is not a lot of help so if anyone has a picture that would be a great help. I'm also having trouble finding a flip screen. I'm 5'6" tall and the standard screen causes a lot of noise at head height. If I move my head up or down by an inch or two the noise disappears. I have been trying to find a screen that is the same as the standard screen but with the addition of a 4" (standard size)flip. I was told by M&P that their screen had a 4" flip, but when it turned up it was over 11" taller and wings on the upper part restricted my view in the mirrors. I sent it back but ended up out of pocket because of the postage. As you can imagine I am a bit unwilling to take a chance on ordering anything else without a recommendation from someone. Once again I am after a standard screen but with the addition of a 4" flip. The Givi screen may work - see the photos page for a picture of one.

23/2/2001 From Patrick F Cray (patc@cableinet.co.uk)

21/2/2001 From Andy Long (andy.long@rdel.co.uk)

Hi,

Yesterday I had my first puncture in ten years, not one but three nails in the back tyre. (How did they miss the front?) I was really impressed with the stable way in which the punctured tyre behaved. I first realised there was a problem when I entered a bend and had a lack of feel from the rear of the bike, much like a (very) slippery road. I eased off the throttle and continued with caution, the bike giving less and less feeback from the back tyre. I have to say I was suprised just how flat the tyre was when I stopped to have a look, my last puncture had nearly dumped me on the road with much less deflation. That tyre was a Metzeler tubed crossply on the back of a BMW R80.

That just left a trip with the RAC and a £114 dent in the wallet to swap the 90x for a 100x. The old tyre had done 5250 miles and had 3-4 mm of tread left, so I was gutted when I had to change it. I look forward to seeing how much difference the 100x makes.

Whilst changing the back tyre on my bike, I took off the exhaust to simplify access to the rear wheel. The inside of the heat shield over the joint in the exhaust was heavily corroded, and this is on a bike bought new in July 2000 and only 5250 miles on the clock. I treated the rust with Kurust and then painted the inside of the heat shield with Hammerite. Honda's choice of finish for this part seems suspect. Also suspect are the downpipes, the ones fitted to the Revere were made of stainless steel. I think that the Deauville pipes are the same size and shape as these, but I need to confirm this. If they are I intend to purchase the Motad pattern stainless steel downpipes from MPS, in the current catalogue at £37 from and £40 rear.

Cya,

Andy Long

21/2/2001 From Patrick F Cray (patc@cableinet.co.uk)

I also thought it strange that Honda should recommend the same tyre pressures for solo riding as well as fully laden two up - but have to admit I follow the instructions and have not found any problems.

Patrick Cray.

18/2/2001 From Martin Concannon (martin.concannon@ntlworld.com)

On the subject of tyres, the Honda manual, I think, gives the same rear tyre pressure for both 1-up and fully loaded on the 90x. I have found it to be ok, but does anyone have any comments?

Martin

18/2/2001 From Paul Sutcliffe (paulsutcliffe@tesco.net)

Hi again - reply to John Russell

I got 10,000 miles from the M90's and so far have had 6000 on the M100 replacements, still going strong (one puncture). If anything I'm more confident in the wet on them but that may be just being more used to the bike (or a helluva lot of wet weather practise recently...).

Rear pads also lasted 10K, and I've just replaced front pads at 16K. First impression is that the front disk 'warp' seems less pronounced.

My battery went at 14,000 miles (12 months). Replacement via mail order cost £45 and took 3 days.

The bike seems much noisier these days. There is no obvious exhaust blowout, all bolts are tight, but the engine is not giving out the sweet burble I used to think it did. A cloth over the end of the pipe mutes it nicely but it's hardly a practical solution. Anyone else having problems ?

13/2/2001 From John Russell (jrussell@tesco.net)

I've just completed 10,000 miles and tyre depth is at 1.6mm front and back. So I will need to replace them both in the near future. The choice seems to be between the Michelin Macadam 100X and the Bridgestone 020. I like the 90X's although I agree that the grip deteriorated a little in wet . I've tried Bridgestones BT 54 & 57's on my Triumph and wasn't that impressed by them - only got 5000 miles from them.

I would be pleased to hear from anyone who has experience of the 100X's and the 020's and any details of costs.

Many thanks,
John

13/2/2001 From Patrick F Cray (patc@cableinet.co.uk)

Gave the exhaust an intensive course of Autosol and I have to admit it's now extremely shiny and almost free of imperfections, the rust or tarnish seems to have vanished on the main pipe. I still have some pitting and tarnishing on the exhaust outlets from the manifold.

Safe Riding

Patrick Cray

13/2/2001 From John Russell (jrussell@tesco.net)

I was getting so cold that I swapped back to my Honda high screen. What a difference! It must be 10 degrees warmer behind the large screen. I'm glad I didn't sell it now and because it's so warm I'll live with it bobbing about in my line of vision. I will certainly keep it on through the winter at least.

John

12/2/2001 From Lee Baldwin (lee.baldwin@tesco.net)

Hi David,

I too had a limited budget but managed to find an S reg Deauville for only £2,700 (see my message dated 22/01/2001) so they do exist.

Anyway, to help you out a little I had a quick look round and found the following ads in Bike Trader:

98 S HONDA NT650V DEAUVILLE, 1 owner, excellent condition, 9,253 miles £3895 (T) PETER HAMMOND M/C Tel: 01285 652467

Honda NT650 Deauville 98/R, met black, 1 owner £3695 (T) MOTORBIKING Tel: 01202 479125

HONDA NT650V black, 1998 R , 24,700 miles £3495 (T) DICKSONS BIKE Tel: 01738 630550

There is also Beige V Reg Deauville on the Loot web site (www.loot.com) for £3,795 o.n.o. which you should be able to bag for about £3,500. As I don't know where you live I don't know if any of these are within easy reach but at least it gives you something to think about.

Insurance need not necessarily cost the earth. I don't know about comprehensive, but I am effectively new to biking and mine cost £140 TPFT with no no claims bonus, and covers up to 4 bikes. (Try the AA).

As previously mentioned you could always try a cheaper bike to start off with and if this is an option I would have no hesitation in recommending the Honda CB500. The engines have been tested (by Honda around a race track) for 200,000 miles without any problems some a high mileage example shouldn't be a problem, and I saw straight but high mileage one advertised recently for only £895. If this is an option I about £1,500 for a decent one, I recently sold my P Reg CB with 11,500 miles on it for £1,800.

Anyway good luck with the hunting and I hope you find what you are looking for.

Lee Baldwin

Hi All,

Firstly, it is nice to find a useful site. Well done.

I am seeking advice. I travel 7 miles each way to work and currently take the car. In traffic this takes about 40 mins. Some 20 yrs ago when I met my better half in London, she had a Honda 125 on which I passed my test. I used to ride all over London to work and learnt the joy of being able to park close to any destination. Now I am a (sensible) Dad, but get really hacked off at the time I waste sitting in traffic, so every now and then I daydream round bike shops and buy a mag once or twice a year.

I took an NTV 650 out for a "return to bike ride" from our local dealer one October about 2 years ago. Even in the poor weather I was enjoying being part of the living world, but the pleasure of the trip was dented (sorry for the pun) when one of the small group tried to overtake a car going into a rh bend, clipped the kerb and met head on with a stone wall !! Ambulance men fixed a dislocated shoulder and took him away to have the rest of him checked over.

A cup of coffee later with nerves restored, we rode back cautiously. It was a good reminder that 2 wheels are more vulnerable than 4. (See, sensible thoughts creeping in again)

Like many of us I don't have spare cash to squander, so all the good weather protecting bikes such as BMW's and Goldwings were out of my reach, plus I felt too big for town use, that is until along came Honda with the Deauville.

My dilemma is, is my daydream really practical?

1) Are there any good quality second-hand Deauvilles out there from reliable dealers. If so, what would an early one cost? Are most well looked after as they are owned by more, dare I say, mature riders? There must be bikes available below £4K these days - not sure how much below that though.

2) What does insurance & tax cost the average mid forties? Really depends a lot on where you live. I'd guess that with "20 years experience" (that's how they count it, even if you've not been riding), it'd be cheap as long as you don't live somewhere really dodgy, and can garage the bike.

3) My car is worth about £2500, so I could sell this and go to about £4,000 including buying helmet, weather gear etc. So do I have enough cash? Are any dealers doing cheap deals / low interest loans? I guess I need about £500 for helmet and clothing - any items recommended?

4) Is using a bike practical for a 7 mile e.w. commute, by the time you put on the clothing and pack it away at the other end, what time will I save? You'd probably save a bit of time, and a lot more frustration, depends on what the safe filtering opportunities are.

5) How are Deauvilles standing up to our damp weather, road salt, etc. Noted one writer mentioning parts oxidising quickly, so is a weekly wash an essential? Not bad, a weekly hose down is a good idea if you can be bothered.

6) My son is nearly 9, but not tall. Is their any restriction on when I can take him pillion, or is this just up to my common sense? Common sense.

7) How much does a good refresher course cost? Not sure…

I look forward to hearing from you.

Cheers,

David

Like most people I know with Deauvilles, I have found the lack of a proper manual irritating so I emailed Haynes to ask if one was available or planned. Their reply was disapointing:

Customer Services

So its back to fudging it with the NTV book,

Cya

Andy Long

7/2/2001 From Dave Prentice (vsmaria@yahoo.com)

Hi, I have been riding my DV for around two years, it was already six months old when I got it

Brake pads wear very quickly needing replacement every service (4,000 miles) in London Traffic (note front only back last ages). The tyre wear is heavy, Michelins seem to wear unevenly but handle reasonably. My pads still had plenty of life left in them at the 8K service, but a lot of my commute is on motorways. I haven't noticed really heavy wear on the M90s either - again, still enough life in them at 8K. Guess you must brake and accelerate a lot more than me !

Both front Disks were replaced at 24,000 miles as was the clutch, I was told by the shop and two other DV riders that this is not uncommon. Battery lasts two years £52. Front disks are becoming a bit of a theme these days…

Pannier catches are forever in need of adjustment, easy but annoying Clutch cables and bulbs are really the only other problems, tail light bulb not standard £5 a bit expensive. Economy is average 45 ish MPG top speed 110 mph ish not too uncomfortable on long rides 300 miles +

I have managed to part company with the bike twice, with only superficial damage, however the suicidal pedestrian that ran out from behind a bus broke the fairing. On the whole I like the bike but would like the higher screen, maybe next winter!

Hope you do well with yours

David

6/2/2001 From manlio crinelli (manlio.crinelli@libero.it)

Excuse me for my English, but I am an owner of a red Honda Deauville writing from Italy. I have found for a long time, in my country, someone who had problems as mine and finally I read your mailbox. This bike is wonderful, but I unfortunately changed two times in 8000 Km my front disks.

I ride my bike as a tourer, and I don't understand what's the problem!

My dealer says that this problem isn't known in every Honda Deauville sold in Italy, and perhaps it depends in my style of riding !!!!

I payd for this in the Warranty period, but I think I'm not mad and this is a serious problem in some of this bike! Honda Italia accused me of forgetting security chains or riding in a strong way(?) and I was very angry for this. I think that the front disks aren't so good as the Brembo pads and they become warped in a few time if the plane of the wheel is not perfect.

The second time I pretended that the dealer resolved my problem and he found that the wheel wasn't perfect (perhaps the stamp)and rectified it(accusing me of falling in a hole on the street). Now I don't know if my problem is resolved and I'm thinking to change my bike.

I read that Paul Sutcliffe and John Whitaker had the same problem and I hope I can help them with my experience.

What does "Might as well while we' re at it" mean? "While we're working on the bike, we will do both disks, as it's not much more work than doing one"

If they can suggest me other solutions my e-mail address is

manlio.crinelli@libero.it

Thank you and sorry for my english

Manlio

I have just ordered a new Deauville from Cusworths of Doncaster. After telephoning around the UK and visiting various dealers, the best price I could get is £5195 for delivery march 1st. I would recommend this dealer as I have bought a bike there two years ago and am very happy with their service and help. Carnells is near but I was offered a pittance for my old Triumph 900 Trophy in part exchange. I got Eddies of Leeds to sell it for me at £1500 more than Carnells were offering. For a good deal contact Big Andy at Cusworths. Another ex-Trophy rider - John Russell also used to have one of these before the DV. £5195 sounds pretty much as good as you're going to get - somewhere between £5200 and £5400 seems to be the going rate at the moment.

Good riding,

Stormin Norman McCollum

5/2/2001 From Patrick F Cray (patc@cableinet.co.uk)

Showed my exhaust to the mechanic whilst I was getting the clutch interlock switch replaced, it is only 7 months old having been replaced following a crash last summer. As I have previously mentioned it is showing signs of rust or discolouration around the joints. The mechanic stated he was not aware of any problems with DV exhausts, and that he thought the exhaust was just tarnished - suggested Autosol to sort the problem. I'm not completely convinced as I polish my chrome pretty regularly. The 2 exhaust pipes from the manifolds are both showing signs of pitting and rust but they have been exposed to 1 and a bit salty Blackpool winters, and all the stones and other crap that have hit them in 6000 or so miles of riding since October 1999.

Can I have some feedback on how other members exhausts are standing up? If my exhaust is showing premature wear I'm going to try and get it replaced under the manufacturers warranty.

Safe Riding

Patrick Cray

2/2/2001 From Patrick F Cray (patc@cableinet.co.uk)

Finally got round to taking the DV to the local dealers to get the switch in the clutch assembly replaced. It only took about 15 minutes, and I can now start my machine in gear with the clutch in and the side stand up.

The unit was replaced under warranty with no quibbles - from what others have written this seems to be a common fault on DV's. Hopefully the next time I stall, I'll be able to get underway without having to push the machine to the side of the road!

Safe Riding

Pat Cray

2/2/2001 From: John Whitaker (john.whitaker2@ntlworld.com)

Just found your site - never thought to look for one before. I have read some of the reports posted and would say to Paul Sutcliffe that warped disks are not unusual on the Deauville - I had a problem with one of my front ones from new. I used the bike for about a year then took it to my local dealer and had it checked. They replaced both. "Might as well while we're at it" said my local dealer Pidcocks, Nottingham.

I concur with most people's comments regarding the bike. It suits me fine. It's just coming up to 2 years old now and done about 6k. I only use it for holidays and weekends away - 2 up touring with my ever-loving on pillion. I ride all year but as my commute is quite short (about 3 miles) I use a 100cc Yamaha for that.

Before I bought the bike I test rode a second-hand one that had a taller flip screen. On my hour long test I made sure I took in a part of the M1 as I wanted to know how it went at touring speeds. At about 80 -85mph the airflow caused my wife and I to be buffetted from side to side but in opposite directions. I found this a little disconcerting and potentially tiring / dangerous and it has put me off purchasing a taller screen. I'm 5' 10" tall, my wife is 5' 2". Anybody else had this sort of problem?

Incidentally, our first years holiday on the Deauville was to Spain. Ferry to Bilbao, rode to Seville and Granada and back to Bilbao with stops on the way. Cheap hotels, fabulous scenery, excellent virtually empty roads. If anybody wants to contact me direct I will give them any further info I have.

John Whitaker